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wortleygirl
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Luke GarbuttEverton may have to pay Leeds compensation of up to £1 million.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/...illion-teenager-Luke-Garbutt.html
All I can say is.....GOOD....serves the assholes right.
Maybe it will also act as a warning to other clubs................."keep your hands off the youngsters"
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ImreVaradi
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you'd think it would put clubs off but this is by no means the first time clubs have had to pay a princely sum for a kid who potentially will never even play premiership football, sign of the times that clubs seem to view it as being worth the risk for success.
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JesmondWhite
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I don't really know the rules for this kind of thing but something has to be done to stop teams using their money to bully other teams into letting go of their youngsters.
As far as I'm concerned, teams should be able to keep hold of a player they have mentored until 18 and then they can take the oppurtunity to accept offers if they feel they meet thier valuation.
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Stockport White
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Is there going to one for the kids Citeh stole too?
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ImreVaradi
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| JesmondWhite wrote: | | As far as I'm concerned, teams should be able to keep hold of a player they have mentored until 18 |
Couldn't agree more!
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kiwipete
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exactly lads-make it 18-
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brisbanewhite
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Fair play to Bates for digging his heels in and squeeling like a pig on this one!.........give him his do's he gets vocal and ensures justice when people try and raid our academy........apart from when he tried to shaft Levi of course!
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Mark
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| Stockport White wrote: | | Is there going to one for the kids Citeh stole too? |
More than likely id say....
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Del
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On club site now, got a good deal out of it.
600k up front
£750k based on apperances
£200k for England cap
and £20% of profit from the sale.
£1.5 million isn't a bad deal, lets just hope LUFC see's some of it
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superdooperleeds
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its about time the big clubs got their come uppence for trying to steal other clubs best young talent for next to nothing,long may it continue.
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brisbanewhite
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Shouldnt be allowed before they reach 21 IMO
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SNIFFER CLARKE
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Needs to be strict rules put in place now,the compensation is not putting any of the big boys off,they obviously feel its worth a gamble.....
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Mark
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| Del wrote: | On club site now, got a good deal out of it.
600k up front
£750k based on apperances
£200k for England cap
and £20% of profit from the sale.
£1.5 million isn't a bad deal, lets just hope LUFC see's some of it |
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Daddy Pig
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| Mark wrote: | | Del wrote: | On club site now, got a good deal out of it.
600k up front
£750k based on apperances
£200k for England cap
and £20% of profit from the sale.
£1.5 million isn't a bad deal, lets just hope LUFC see's some of it |
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Alright everyone, picked you all up from clarkeonenil... nice site you've got going here...
Anyway, not planning on contradicting too many people first post and all that, but I get this sneeking suspicion that all this carping on that we are doing will come back and bite us in the arse some time soon. History shows us that we'll do exactly the same to some 'smaller' club in the next few years and get stung... knowing our luck we'll be the first team to get a points deduction in order to set an example.
We need to be careful what we wish for. Seems to me that this tribunal have set a decent level of compensation for a relatively unproven player. 20% of sell-on profit also helps the longer term investment. This may prove to be a good deal for us.
Okay, it could also backfire, but when you think of the proportion of juniors who actually make it, you'd probably have to say the odds are on our side.
And surely one thing we've learnt from our own experiences and that combines Leeds fans everywhere is that points allocation should be restricted to what happens on the pitch, not in the boardroom / backrooms of clubs.
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Mark
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| Stockport White wrote: | | Is there going to one for the kids Citeh stole too? |
Looks like it will be
Ken Bates is taking Manchester City to a tribunal over their controversial capture of two 14-year-olds, George Swann and Louis Hutton, from Leeds United, the latest in a series of such cases
Bates' action against mega-rich City comes just as the Eastlands side become the latest English club to come under scrutiny for their recruitment of a young player after FIFA confirmed they are investigating the capture of Jeremy Helan from Rennes.
Leeds have revealed that the bitter row between themselves and City is scheduled to take place at a tribunal "within the next two weeks".
Bates said that he wants to lead a major campaign against the practice of what he calls "baby farming", referring to smaller clubs having their prize kids signed up by Premier League teams.
Bates told ESPN Soccernet: "Manchester City offered £30,000 for one player and £40,000 for the other. It's time the big clubs paid up, or even had points deducted to stop this practice of baby farming.
"There is a growing swell of opinion that this is bad for English football and it has got to stop. FIFA and UEFA are making a stand, so too should the FA about what is happening on their own doorstep. We have had two promising 14 year olds signed by Manchester City with a pitiful amount of compensation being offered by a club that has spent £200m in the transfer market.
"Both our 14-year-olds refused our offers on the same day, both signed for Manchester City on the same day and Manchester City's youth scout used to work at Elland Road."
Leeds have informed me that the £30,000 and £40,000 is the initial down payment with scaled increases. But there was no holding Bates back when he added: "Manchester City complained about the disgraceful behaviour of Chelsea in the way they signed [Daniel] Sturridge, and we had to fight for compensation when Everton took one of our youngsters yet Everton complained about the way City signed Lescott.
"They are all hypocrites. I am sure if there is enough of an outcry it will make the FA sit up and take notice. You can hardly expect the Premier League to do anything about it."
City attracted the wrath of Bates, having also received a complaint from Rennes and FIFA concerning 17-year-old defender Helan who moved to England in February. FIFA confirmed that they have been asked to look into the transfer. "We can confirm that there is a case pending with FIFA's Player Status Department involving Jeremy Helan, Stade Rennais FC and Manchester City," read a statement from the governing body.
In the wake of Chelsea's transfer ban, which prevents them from signing players for the next two transfer windows, the process by which English clubs recruit teenage talents from abroad is firmly in the spotlight.
Manchester United have strenuously denied suggestions that they acted improperly in signing Paul Pogba from Le Havre over the summer.
The Leeds chairman, who won a £5m compensation claim against Chelsea when they lured two 16-year-olds to Stamford Bridge three years ago, last week spoke out suggesting the kids were being treated like "horsemeat".
But the big bombshell is that Bates and Leeds have initiated a potentially explosive compensation claim against Manchester City after taking Everton to a recent tribunal and winning compensation under similar circumstances.
Everton were ordered to pay an initial £600,000 for 16-year-old Luke Garbutt. The defender, who has represented England at youth level, joined Everton from the Yorkshire side over the summer and a tribunal of the Professional Football Negotiating and Consultative Committee ordered the Premier League club to pay the fee, with the deal potentially rising to over £1.5m if further conditions are met.
Aside from an initial payment of £600,000, Everton must also pay Leeds an extra £150,000 if the player makes five, 10, 20, 30 and 40 appearances for the club, as well as a payment of £200,000 if he makes a full international appearance.
Bates added: "What happened here is the start. In the past we might have got £150,000, but now it was £600,000. We're heading in the right direction but there's a long way to go
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Mark
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| Mark wrote: | | Stockport White wrote: | | Is there going to one for the kids Citeh stole too? |
Looks like it will be
Ken Bates is taking Manchester City to a tribunal over their controversial capture of two 14-year-olds, George Swann and Louis Hutton, from Leeds United, the latest in a series of such cases
Bates' action against mega-rich City comes just as the Eastlands side become the latest English club to come under scrutiny for their recruitment of a young player after FIFA confirmed they are investigating the capture of Jeremy Helan from Rennes.
Leeds have revealed that the bitter row between themselves and City is scheduled to take place at a tribunal "within the next two weeks".
Bates said that he wants to lead a major campaign against the practice of what he calls "baby farming", referring to smaller clubs having their prize kids signed up by Premier League teams.
Bates told ESPN Soccernet: "Manchester City offered £30,000 for one player and £40,000 for the other. It's time the big clubs paid up, or even had points deducted to stop this practice of baby farming.
"There is a growing swell of opinion that this is bad for English football and it has got to stop. FIFA and UEFA are making a stand, so too should the FA about what is happening on their own doorstep. We have had two promising 14 year olds signed by Manchester City with a pitiful amount of compensation being offered by a club that has spent £200m in the transfer market.
"Both our 14-year-olds refused our offers on the same day, both signed for Manchester City on the same day and Manchester City's youth scout used to work at Elland Road."
Leeds have informed me that the £30,000 and £40,000 is the initial down payment with scaled increases. But there was no holding Bates back when he added: "Manchester City complained about the disgraceful behaviour of Chelsea in the way they signed [Daniel] Sturridge, and we had to fight for compensation when Everton took one of our youngsters yet Everton complained about the way City signed Lescott.
"They are all hypocrites. I am sure if there is enough of an outcry it will make the FA sit up and take notice. You can hardly expect the Premier League to do anything about it."
City attracted the wrath of Bates, having also received a complaint from Rennes and FIFA concerning 17-year-old defender Helan who moved to England in February. FIFA confirmed that they have been asked to look into the transfer. "We can confirm that there is a case pending with FIFA's Player Status Department involving Jeremy Helan, Stade Rennais FC and Manchester City," read a statement from the governing body.
In the wake of Chelsea's transfer ban, which prevents them from signing players for the next two transfer windows, the process by which English clubs recruit teenage talents from abroad is firmly in the spotlight.
Manchester United have strenuously denied suggestions that they acted improperly in signing Paul Pogba from Le Havre over the summer.
The Leeds chairman, who won a £5m compensation claim against Chelsea when they lured two 16-year-olds to Stamford Bridge three years ago, last week spoke out suggesting the kids were being treated like "horsemeat".
But the big bombshell is that Bates and Leeds have initiated a potentially explosive compensation claim against Manchester City after taking Everton to a recent tribunal and winning compensation under similar circumstances.
Everton were ordered to pay an initial £600,000 for 16-year-old Luke Garbutt. The defender, who has represented England at youth level, joined Everton from the Yorkshire side over the summer and a tribunal of the Professional Football Negotiating and Consultative Committee ordered the Premier League club to pay the fee, with the deal potentially rising to over £1.5m if further conditions are met.
Aside from an initial payment of £600,000, Everton must also pay Leeds an extra £150,000 if the player makes five, 10, 20, 30 and 40 appearances for the club, as well as a payment of £200,000 if he makes a full international appearance.
Bates added: "What happened here is the start. In the past we might have got £150,000, but now it was £600,000. We're heading in the right direction but there's a long way to go
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Read elsewhere we settled our dispute with Man City re: two of our lads who got poached by City,with surprise surprise a undisclosed £ settlement,£ city have got lets hope they were feeling charitable..
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